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Post by <CC>< Tykur on Apr 8, 2004 22:52:05 GMT -5
Many times when I am playing CS players come in and dominate every round/ every map. Like most of you I start to think they must be cheating. I think what we should do is to let them play several maps and if they are just too good for us, or cheating, we should ask them to leave nicely. If they won't they should be banned. Admins can get there won ID by typing in status and email it to me or Jigga, so we can ban them. Unfortunately there is no proven way to catch a cheater. If the player is not cheating but just too good for our server the rest of the players would have more fun without them killing them instantly every round. Don't be too quick to call people cheats, I have had some amazingly good rounds wear I would have thought I was cheating, so give players a few maps before asking them to leave. We have thought about installing cheating death but like me I doubt many of you want to deal with installing it, and some cheats claim they can get around it anyways. [shadow=red,left,300]Let me know your thoughts on this![/shadow]
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Post by <CC>< Mother Theresa on Apr 10, 2004 10:15:28 GMT -5
It seems like a good idea, I agree with Tykur, I guess though that we have a anti-cheat on the server but I still don't know. Keep in mind guys that since were playing war3 mod it can and does alter the abilities of players so you might come in with a lvl10 player that knows how to use his abilities to the full.
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Post by <CC>< Enigma on Apr 12, 2004 12:11:00 GMT -5
I hardly call people hackers in The FISH server because, if you check playerskills frequently you can tell that many people change race's alot if they were an orc the round before and they kill you when you do 175 dmg your gunna want to call them a hacker right? Well I've seen that they had just switched races to undead so I let them go on playing without a big fight insueing and me getting embarrassed...
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Post by <CC>< NinjA on Apr 12, 2004 21:09:38 GMT -5
Iind it weird how on certain maps like "duckhunt" i totaly stink! ,But on "de_dust2" i rule! ;D ..............Strange.
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Post by <CC>< Tykur on Apr 12, 2004 22:04:56 GMT -5
I am fully aware of how the warcraft mod works and that is not the issue. I know lots of people think others are cheating when they don't know how war3 works. My point is when a plyer dominates every map and almost never dies. It is not fun for other players to die instantly every round. We do have some anti cheat thing running but lots of cheats will still work. Cheats are like viruses when the anti-cheat software stops it they rewrite the cheats so that they can be used again.
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Post by <foCC> Mr. Chicago on Apr 16, 2004 19:34:20 GMT -5
Not to sound arrogant, but I know that this thread is about me because I received an email from Tykur already, pretty much stating the same thing. I apologize if I've made the CC server "unfun" for the rest of the CC members, HOWEVER I would like to establish that I do NOT, nor have I EVER hacked. Hacks are for losers. I'm 25 years old and have better things to do with my time than inflate my own ego by beating kids at games by cheating. The main reason I've stayed in the CC server so long, even though it's not always competitive for me, is because I appreciate the respectful atmosphere (ie. no racism, profanity, etc.). However, I'm disappointed to learn that some members of CC would accuse another of hacking with little or no evidence. I have been playing CS for well over 5 years and at time play more often than others. The fact that I had just started playing CS again more frequently when I found the CC server may explain the drastic increase in skill in such a short amount of time. The other reason may be because of the war3mod. I've never really liked it because it exaggerates differences in players' abilities. The better a person is, the faster they level up, and the more powerful they become, thus their kills tend to increase exponentially. But, most members of CC enjoy the mod so I've continued to play it. I'm not sure who thinks I hack because Tykur did not mention any names, just that there were some members of CC who were upset. However, if you speak to numerous people, I've been trying to help people get better by teaching them "secrets" I've learned over the years. For instance, if you want to get a headshot with a knife, you don't aim for the head, you aim for the neck. Or, how to bind the "adjust_crosshair" command to your primary fire, so that your crosshairs change color everytime you fire... to add contrast and aid in aiming in places with different backgrounds. Or, that when you change weapons, the first shot you fire when you're able to fire, is always dead-on target, even when you're running at full tilt. PS, I almost always play as a blood elf with the periapt of health, so when leveled up, I start every round with 140 HP and 200 AR, as well as taking reduced damage from all other players. Try it sometime and see, it's not hard to own people with those stats and abilities. As for shooting people through walls, I can promise that it wouldn't happen so much if the server ran larger maps with less predictable routes. On maps like iceworld, poolday, etc. it's not hard to use your headphones and pre-fire people through walls before they round corners. If you don't know what I'm talking about, get a better sound card, one with stereo sound and a pair of stereo headphones. I think that pretty much answers most questions about my "hacking." Except for aimbot... which if you check the top15 and look at my stats... my aim is terrible, as shown by my accuracy, which I believe is under 25%. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me at btoth11278. Regards, <foCC>, or so I thought, Mr.Chicago
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Post by <foCC> Mr. Chicago on Apr 16, 2004 19:39:20 GMT -5
PS if you don't know what the periapt of health is, you probably don't know what the tome of experience is either. Thus, I level up at least twice as fast as you do. Use the war3help command to figure out what I'm talking about. -Mr.Chicago
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Post by <CC>< Blade on Apr 17, 2004 5:49:13 GMT -5
i could own u Chicago ;D hehe jk jk lol but i do agree with chicago bout alot of his points, dont worry i beleive u i dont think u hack i havent seen u around the server lately u should come back i like going against u. and i beleive that the war 3 mod makes me play 10x better i get so many more HS cause im undead and i can run so fast and but what chicago was saying it is also easy to hear ppl on dust as an example dust is pretty predicatable anyways and it is not a FY man but i gues if u can hear them anyones gonna prefire b4 u go around the corner because in dust if your T and your rushing u can here the Ct's comin into the tunnel and u can start shooting b4 you can see your opponent ...i once got 3 HS in a row liek that they were all stuck hehe but ya i accually havent seen anyone on THE FISH that i would even concider hacking but i agree with tykur bout if ppl are getting owned everyround then its not fun but i also like having a tough competition because it accualy makes me try to want to get back at the person and get a beautiful HS on him and also your not gonna learn anything from somone who is the same skill the only way i ever got good because i like it when its 2v1 because it makes me try to much harder for the win and when i get it it feels so much better and if im just playing unskilled players it tend to become monotonous and then becomes boring. and when i was a noob i never went in noob servers i always went in normal servers and i whatched other "pros" play how they shoot ect. i personally like it when somone that is better then me is playing on the server...like i know when i played with chicago hes a good CS player and i liked facing him cause if he got a good HS on me i was say nice job and then i would try even harder to get him back..i like competition -<CC>< Blade
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Post by <foCC> Mr. Chicago on Apr 17, 2004 18:06:33 GMT -5
I have to say, I'm not surprised that this is the attitude of the accuser. I IM'ed Blar today, just to drop a pleasant hello/what's up... and this is the conversation that ensued... just to let everybody know that this is the kind of treatment CC members are giving to other CC/foCC members:
BToth11278: sup blar-ski Viperpcxx: meh? BToth11278: (Mr.Chicago) Viperpcxx: forget who this is Viperpcxx: oh BToth11278: how's it hangin? Viperpcxx: *silence* Viperpcxx: read your email? BToth11278: mine? Viperpcxx: yes BToth11278: uh... hold on BToth11278: from you>? BToth11278: I dont' have anything Viperpcxx: no from tykur BToth11278: oh yeah BToth11278: I read that a while ago BToth11278: I've been in email contact with him, regarding the issue BToth11278: I also posted on the forums, my response, in essence Viperpcxx: i don't read the forums Viperpcxx: your gonna have to copy and paste BToth11278: why, are you the one who's perturbed? BToth11278 wants to directly connect. Viperpcxx declines request; no connection was made. BToth11278: you have to direct connect Viperpcxx: why BToth11278: or it will limit the amount of text I can copy/pate BToth11278: *paste Viperpcxx: no alot of people are perturbed Viperpcxx: bro Viperpcxx: you diss me Viperpcxx: you diss many BToth11278: I diss you??? Viperpcxx: perturbed Viperpcxx: something wrong with that? Viperpcxx: well? Viperpcxx: is there? BToth11278: nothin wrong with voicing concerns BToth11278: most ppl I've talked to lately, haven't had any problems Viperpcxx: well theres many people... Viperpcxx: b/c too many are scared to speak there own oppinions Viperpcxx: b/c some people Viperpcxx: are just afraid of being wrong BToth11278: paladinX, paladin, hunter, mother theresa, midknight, and there's more BToth11278: but hey, you're entitled to your own opinion BToth11278: I don't think I've ever been "mean" or "dissed you" BToth11278: as for allegations of hacks... that's bologna BToth11278: I've been talkin with tykur about ways to "prove" that I don't BToth11278: I recorded some demos last night, and next time I see/talk to him, I'll send them if he wants to see them Viperpcxx: tykur shoulda sent you my email BToth11278: why don't you send it BToth11278: to me BToth11278: so I can understand why you're so upset Viperpcxx: b/c lol i don't have it saved Viperpcxx: listen to me Viperpcxx: alright Viperpcxx: my friend Viperpcxx: hacks BToth11278: oh, well ask tykur to fwd it to me Viperpcxx: alright Viperpcxx: i watch him all the time BToth11278: yeah, and that's lame Viperpcxx: and its kinda scary Viperpcxx: when you play just like him Viperpcxx: every time i died Viperpcxx: i watched you Viperpcxx: i did Viperpcxx: and you play just like him Viperpcxx: im being serious BToth11278: and what hacks does he use? BToth11278: I'm curious, to see what hacks I'm emulating BToth11278: you really should check the forums Viperpcxx: player boxs, no recoil, bright players BToth11278: lmao... no recoil? BToth11278: have you seen my aim? Viperpcxx: not full out no recoil Viperpcxx: you can adjust the ratio Viperpcxx: so people can't tell enough BToth11278: well, as I don't hack, I was unaware of that BToth11278: man, you can think whatever you want BToth11278: no skin off my nose Viperpcxx: everyone is entitled BToth11278: indeed Viperpcxx: enigma thinks you do Viperpcxx: lots of people that ive played with most of my life agree BToth11278: well, he's entitled to Viperpcxx: its kinda hard to prove against it BToth11278: yes it is BToth11278: and it's hard to prove that you're not too BToth11278: but I'll do what tykur suggests Viperpcxx: which is? Viperpcxx: b/c i don't know Viperpcxx: i really don't BToth11278: well, I've suggested several options BToth11278: one: install HLTV BToth11278: so he can watch demos BToth11278: from all perspectives and make his own decision Viperpcxx: dedicated server...HLTV is pointless unless you buy your own server BToth11278: two: I'll set up a webcam on another computer and you can watch me play BToth11278: three: we can just take a general consensus vote among the CC members Viperpcxx: lol BToth11278: and four: I can send him demos from my own first person BToth11278: other than mailing him my computer... there isn't much else Viperpcxx: now i just wanna know for myself just not to be rude or anything Viperpcxx: why did you join cc? BToth11278: because tykur asked me Viperpcxx: and you said yes b/c? BToth11278: why not? Viperpcxx: why? BToth11278: it was an invite BToth11278: I had no objections Viperpcxx: yeah but you know most people just don't say yes to every invite Viperpcxx: why to this one? BToth11278: and I enjoy playing in the server because it has a low tolerance for rude behavior Viperpcxx: lol BToth11278: and because tykur is older and more mature Viperpcxx: hold on a sec Viperpcxx: *rolls around on floor laughing histerically* BToth11278: and I don't usually have to put up with this kind of stuff Viperpcxx: *catchs my breathe* Viperpcxx: ok im good Viperpcxx: you play like famous too who was in fmj BToth11278: and what's so funny? Viperpcxx: yes im a part of fmj too Viperpcxx: and he plays just like you as well Viperpcxx: and he...yeah Viperpcxx: most hacks are set up outside the program Viperpcxx: for 1.5 Viperpcxx: its not an in game thing Viperpcxx: cept for steam Viperpcxx: you can pull up an in game menu BToth11278: and toggle right? BToth11278: I've heard of that BToth11278: so it's nearly impossible to prove that I'm not BToth11278: so what's your point? BToth11278: you think I hack, I say I don't BToth11278: unless you want to cart your butt out to chicago and see for yourself BToth11278: we are at an impasse Viperpcxx: your talking just like famous Viperpcxx: i mean Viperpcxx: seriously Viperpcxx: JUST like him BToth11278: I don't even know who famous is or what fmj is BToth11278: so your point is lost on me Viperpcxx: and ky says the same stuff too Viperpcxx: no Viperpcxx: people on steam say that too Viperpcxx: and my emphasis is over Viperpcxx: this conversation is now over Viperpcxx: nice knowing you chicago BToth11278: lol Viperpcxx signed off at 6:14:22 PM.
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Post by <CC>< Blade on Apr 17, 2004 18:24:11 GMT -5
stop hasseling Chicago hes a good guy and he doesnt deserve this he does not hack trust me...this isnt right were accusing an innocent man...i hate it when im accused of being a hacker and get banned from servers i cant stand it its not fun ...just stop bugging him alls he wants to do is have fun playing CS he doesnt need to be hasseled of hwo good he is!
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Post by <foCC> Mr. Chicago on Apr 18, 2004 2:31:30 GMT -5
I wanted to keep away from ad hominems, and keep the comments relevant to the issue at hand. However, I feel that the way things are proceeding, it has become more than an issue of hacking, but rather an issue of character.
Again, I'd like to emphasize my previous position, that I DON'T hack. In addition to that, I'd like to voice my distaste for the way my reputation has been blasphemized. Apparently, Blar and unnamed others think that I hack. First, they have no evidence, other than the fact that I kill them frequently, and they say that I play like a friend of theirs that does hack. Second, the accusing party has already made their decision, without any chance for rebuttal or verification. Anybody can accuse somebody of hacking. I have been banned from servers without sufficient justification before, as I'm sure that some of the other members of CC have been as well. As Blade stated, it's very frustrating to be discriminated against because you have gotten "too good."
I realize that there are a great number of people that choose to use hacks, rather than get good at the game by practicing. However, most of them will not respond to accusations of hacking, nor offer to prove their innocence. While I have suggested several ways to "prove" my innocence to both Tykur and Blar, as you can see by the previous post, Blar will not be satisfied by any of the suggestions I have provided. I have not heard back from Tykur on this particular issue.
Honestly, I'm tired of arguing over the hacking allegation. I'll leave the decision up to Tykur, or whoever has authority to make a decision over who should be allowed in CC or not.
I would just like to point out that CC is supposed be a CHRISTIAN server. While I may not subscribe to the Christian faith myself, I was educated in the Christian faith and I am an ordained member of the Presbyterian church. It is my understanding that one of the sole tenants of Christianity is to be accepting of others and not to be judgemental. In addition, the entire American legal system is based on Christian morals and ethics, and in the American legal system, an individual is innocent until proven guilty. My accusers have not offered any substantial evidence that I hack, and furthermore, I have provided explanations for my exemplary performance.
I would hate to leave CC because, on the whole, I think it is a good group of people who just enjoy playing CS. That's all I really wanted, was to play the game with others who enjoy the game. I've even gone as far as posting threads on the forums to try and teach other CC members my "secrets," as to try and even the playing field.
If there are people out there who think I hack, and have any evidence of that, I would be happy to respond to those accusations, and I would also be happy to entertain any other ideas as to how I can prove to Blar, et al. that I don't hack. Any other members of CC who would like to comment on this issue, please feel free to do so on the forums, or contact me directly through AIM at btoth11278.
-Mr.Chicago
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Post by <CC>< Tykur on Apr 19, 2004 0:01:53 GMT -5
First of all, this thread was not started because of you Mr.Chicago. I started this about 2 weeks ago to try to find out what other players thought about banning players that dominated too much and ruined everyone’s fun. Unfortunately I haven’t gotten much feedback on this matter. I try not to be too heavy handed in running this server; I want to get input from the rest of the crew before I make rules. I will have to consider turning the WAR3 mod off at times and see if this will make things a little more competitive. I want everyone to know that Mr. Chicago has been a very good addition to our server, and I plan to do everything I can to resolve this issue so everyone is happy. If anyone has any other Ideas as to ways to help please let me know.
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Post by <CC>< Enigma on Apr 24, 2004 3:08:50 GMT -5
Chicago, you shouldn't try to bring Blar down with you...He gets heated...We all do and I've known him for six years and more. I'm dissappointed in you putting that conversation on this forum all you had to say was that he thought you hacked you didn't have to say everything that was said. And he wasn't lying im going to say it now and untill proven otherwise by proof not a vote. I think you hack Chicago. I know its war3 but how many times do you see someone get 5 hs's on one person in a row and also sustain 5 repeated hs's on another round its naturally impossible to gain 357 dmg even with undead. And, back to the point...What makes you so sure it was Blar that made it all start that you hacked? It wasn't him that started it Chicago. It wasn't me either. It was someone else and you blame Blar just becuase he was mad his girlfriend hadn't talked to him in a week and couldn't hold back the anger. You should get facts straight before you accuse. I said "I think you hack" not "I know you hack" im not accusing im suggesting and when you accuse Blar and me of starting the rumor you make me very mad...Don't let a thing like this happen again unless you know for sure we did it. And don't think your the only one either cuz the person you "accused" of spreading the rumor was someone that got called a hacker by the <CC>< clan for 5 weeks before he was let in by Tykur, and you don't see him blaming anyone do you? I didn't think so. If this post gets me kicked out of the clan it won't matter cuz I will know I got my point acrossed before I left. Another thing, watch what you paste...I was right next to Blar watching that convo and when you pasted that on the furom I couldn't believe my eyes. Blar did not laugh after that comment you made about being let in by Tykur becuase he was older...
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Post by <foCC> Mr. Chicago on Apr 24, 2004 4:16:50 GMT -5
Chicago, you shouldn't try to bring Blar down with you...He gets heated...We all do and I've known him for six years and more. I'm dissappointed in you putting that conversation on this forum all you had to say was that he thought you hacked you didn't have to say everything that was said. And he wasn't lying im going to say it now and untill proven otherwise by proof not a vote. I think you hack Chicago. I know its war3 but how many times do you see someone get 5 hs's on one person in a row and also sustain 5 repeated hs's on another round its naturally impossible to gain 357 dmg even with undead. And, back to the point...What makes you so sure it was Blar that made it all start that you hacked? It wasn't him that started it Chicago. It wasn't me either. It was someone else and you blame Blar just becuase he was mad his girlfriend hadn't talked to him in a week and couldn't hold back the anger. You should get facts straight before you accuse. I said "I think you hack" not "I know you hack" im not accusing im suggesting and when you accuse Blar and me of starting the rumor you make me very mad...Don't let a thing like this happen again unless you know for sure we did it. And don't think your the only one either cuz the person you "accused" of spreading the rumor was someone that got called a hacker by the <CC>< clan for 5 weeks before he was let in by Tykur, and you don't see him blaming anyone do you? I didn't think so. If this post gets me kicked out of the clan it won't matter cuz I will know I got my point acrossed before I left. Another thing, watch what you paste...I was right next to Blar watching that convo and when you pasted that on the furom I couldn't believe my eyes. Blar did not laugh after that comment you made about being let in by Tykur becuase he was older... I thought this was all a dead issue by now, but I guess not. First off, you boys need to grow up, get some skills and quit whining. All I've heard lately in the server is whines and complaints over this, that and the other thing. "Stop using the awp." "That guy's hacking." "Stop camping." "I don't like this map." "Stop using the noob cannon." "Stop throwing nades." I realize that CS has some flaws, but if we catered to everybody's wants/requests/complaints we'd all be running around not killing anybody because somebody might complain that it's not fair. As for the whole hacking thing... Enigma, you need to learn how statsme and war3 work in tandem. The war3 mod recalculates the damage you do to an enemy and the damage you receive based upon the skills the player has chosen. Your screen may tell you that you did over 100 damage to an enemy but they still live... impossible right? No, it's not, because the statsme mod does not adjust for the war3 mod. Also, I didn't IM Blar to confront him over the accusations of hacking, rather as I stated before, I only IM'ed him to say hello. He was the one who volunteered the information that he had emailed Tykur with the allegation. Also, in his email he states that he "KNOWS" that I hack. If that's not an accusation, I'm not sure I should be an attorney. In addition, since you fellas won't let this issue drop, and insist on continuing to accuse without any proof, other than insipid comments like "I have friends that hack and you play just like them," or "you get too many headshots" it IS necessary to inform everybody of the character issues involved. Calling somebody a hacker is equivalent to a personal attack on their ethics, morals and truthfulness. Not only is the conversation with Blar COMPLETELY accurate as pasted in these forums, I also have the original IM file saved if anybody is THAT interested. While I understand we all get heated and have other pressures and annoyances in our lives, it does NOT give anybody the right to treat others with disrespect. I think this should be especially true for a group of people claiming to be Christians. I really don't care if I remain a friend of CC because at this point I'm thoroughly disgusted with the screening process for CC. The charlatans in the Christian Crew completely degrade any semblance of true Christian, or even just basic, good social, values. As I said in my conversation with Blar, I joined CC BECAUSE I thought the general membership was older, more mature, and more respectful of its fellow members and guests. While this may be true for the majority of the members of CC and foCC, it's always the few bad apples in the bunch that make the whole barrel rotten.
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Post by <CC>< Enigma on Apr 24, 2004 14:36:32 GMT -5
I know how statsme and how war3 work thank you very much. Im not stupid ya know and even though you say I should get some skill your the one that is 30 or whatever and you play cs still? Get A Life!
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